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Does anyone know where I could get the answers to the sanctuary honor? I mean, where in the Bible could I get this info? I read the questions and was like "Whoa"!, I don't know this stuff. Anyway, if anyone could help out I would appreciate it. Thanks,

Miguel

I found something is Ezekiel 40-42. Does this sound familiar to anyone? Thanks,

Miguel

That's the honor I never got to do that I was actually going up there for! I believe the answers out of the Bible can be found in Exodus 25-29. I'm reading it now - and it really goes into detail. These are the blueprints for sure!

Marcie

Marcie has got it, the "Sanctuary" focused on in this honor is the Tabernacle the Israelites were ordered to build in the wilderness. Like all things God ordered built the Bible goes into great detail as to what is placed where and why. The priests are Levites and half of the law is for them alone.

bibleplaces.com has pictures of a modern reconstruction of the Tabernacle and many links. These will help you in part of the requirements.
http://www.templemountfaithful.org/News ... 5761-8.htm Has a history and detail as well. For more drawings and pictures search google.com

God Bless,

Chris Fishell
Xtreme Youth Resources International

Oh wow - that site is awesome! That will help so much when I get ready to teach the honor to my club! Thanks a million!

Marcie

I will have to check out this link when I get home. The proxy server at work has this one blocked.

I have been working on this honor for a few days now and am having some trouble being sure what some of the colors represent.
I have my thoughts on the subject, but wonder if my ideas are correct?

For example, Black - the onyx stones on the shoulder portion of the breastplate are black and represent the tribes of Israel. Is this correct?
The colors gold and silver represent wealth, but is there another meaning that I am missing?

I would like to know for sure before I teach this honor to a club. Are helps available for this honor?


Mr. Mike

Technically there are honor helps available for this honor, but the AY Honor Committee is still discussing how / when to make honor helps for the 20+ "new" (since 2001) honor helps available.

I'd say contact a Adventist College Religion Dept. professor , or your conference director for info on this topic.

Mark O'Ffill

Do you know a Rabbi or Jewish Priest? You could ask them. Thing is there is no definative answer on some of this. For example all of the stones are not onyx, in fact each is a different color. No one translation exists, there is a disagreement in type and purpose. The Onyx may have been the white variety, this is because the stones are believed to represent the tribes in light as it were.

Try this location for the breast plate: http://www3.tky.3web.ne.jp/~jafarr/THE% ... RIEST.html

It inlcudes a list of the Biblical references at the end and the explanation of the most commonly accepted desription of the stones and make up of the plate. This is a bit on the Scholarly-Theologian grade but not above any adult.

Chris Fishell
Xtreme Youth Resources International

Black - - I really struggled with that one - - asked many pastors etc. Finally I found the answer - The outer covering of the sanctuary. What it was made of and its exact color is in dispute. (Seal skin, badger skin, porpoise skin, brown, blue, black). It represents Christ humanity. He had no comeliness (from Isaiah 53:2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. KJV ). His humanity also covered His divinity just like this covering covered the beauty of the inside of the sanctuary.

The book that I found very helpful was Leslie Hardinge’s “With Jesus in His Sanctuary”.
http://www.rhpa.org/newproducts/product.pl?type=sku&sku=0911833013
Very detailed. He taught at Columbia Union College (when it was WMC). He also taught at the Seminary in the Philippines. I picked it up at the Michigan ABC a few years ago. I am going to try and go back over my notes and see if I can offer any other assistance.
The SDA commentary can be helpful too. I believe some part of it are available on the web.
This is a SDA site
http://www.maranathamedia.com.au/Download/Studies/ThePaternOfSalvation/index.htm
Beware many web sites and people who are interested in this subject do not look at it from an Adventist biblical perspective. Masons are fascinated by the breastplate. It was interesting to note in my searches on the web that several replicas have been constructed by Mennonites.
The other thing I noticed is that individuals who have studied this subject extensively tend to be those with strong convections and they do not always agree on all points.
Arlene

I love the fact that the information base of this forum is growing.
Thoughts and study by the various members of the group will help us all to understand better.
Thanks Arlene for the information on the badger skin outer covering being black.
I had read it several times, but did not think about the color of the skin for some reason.
The thought of it representing Christ's humanity is also great.

Mr. Mike

The cool thing about the maranathamedia.au site is that it is Seventh-day Adventist, and is a supportive ministry that works closely with the South Pacific Division Conference. That's comforting.
About Us page for their site: http://www.maranathamedia.com.au/About/about.htm

I love the pictures of the Sanctuary and the PDF presentation is rather solid.

Mark O'Ffill

I talked to a Rabbi about the sanctuary and I ended up teaching him. I hope it was just the individual that I was talking to.
Problem maybe that there is not a large Jewish population here.

I want to be sure of my answers before I teach the honor. Do not want to spread flase information on this subject.


Mr. Mike

That is an important point, anyone teaching any honor should endeavor to get the right answers.

This might be more significant in an issue such as this one as the issue is religous and will be effected by not only history but doctrine. Terms like denominational perspective sometimes make me cringe but there is no doubt that there are schools of belief and faith in this world that have very unique beliefs and to introduce a unique set of understandings from one denomination to another can cause you great grief.

It is unfortuante that the local Rabbi lacked enough knowledge to help you, the Jewish community has broken into denominations of sort, like Christians. There are various levels of conservatism and orthodoxy out there despite our (gentile/Christian) view that a Jew is Jewish. I am sorry I did not qualify my suggestion that way earlier, I hope it was not an entirely lost experience.

God Bless,

Chris Fishell
Xtreme Youth Resources International

The local Rabbi was from a Reformed congregation.
I think I would have had better results with sanctuary questions with a more Othodox Rabbi.

Mr. Mike

There are three main branches: Orthodox, Conservative and Reformed. The Conservative are the middle, they may be the best resource, they may also be more interested in sharing.

Arlene

My wife and I are also working on this Honor, try the folowing site for some of the answers. We don't think it is a SDA site, but it might be of some help.

http://www.bjnewlife.org/english/bstudy ... C=standard

Badgers are from the antelope family. Their skin is brown, not black. This is to represent Jesus Christ and His humility. See Isaiah 53:4,5

The Sanctuary Honor:
(These are the notes I still have from the FOF Camporee when my daughter and I earned the honor. While it is not complete, I do hope it helps.)


1. Name the three main parts of the Sanctuary and the courtyard.
--The court, the Holy Place and the Most High Place.
a. Tell what was in each part.
--The court: brazen altar of sacrifice, brazen laver, the court wall made of white linen 7 ½ feet high, 60 brass pillars with silver capitals and brass bases, and the gate to the court which was 30 feet long*.
--The Holy Place: veil which served as the door to the sanctuary, seven candled candelabra, the table of showbread, the golden altar of incense, and the veil that separates the Most Holy from the Holy compartment.
--The Most Holy Place: the ark of the covenant, the ten commandments, Aaron’s rod.
* The temple was always set up with the gate facing east.
b. Tell what each piece of furniture represents.
--Brazen altar of sacrifice: brass, a mixture of zinc and copper, represents Jesus while he was here on earth. (Revelation 1:12,15, Phillipians 2:6,7) The altar is to represent Christ’s sacrifice for us.
--Brazen laver: brass again represents Jesus. The water represents Jesus’ living water. (John 19:32) Note: the priest washed two times per sacrifice: first, he washed the legs and inward parts, second he washed his hands and feet. The blood and water flowed “unmixed.”
--Court wall: white linen represents righteousness (Revelation 19:8).
--Court gate: the gate represents Jesus. (John 10:7, 14:6) The red, blue and purple of the gate to the court represent respectively Christ’s life (Hebrews 9:12), His obedience (Numbers 15:38-39), and royalty (Matthew 27:27-28).
--The Seven-candled Candelabra: (Revelation 4:5, John 16:7) The candlestick represents God; the oil represents the work of the Holy Spirit, and the light represents Jesus. (John 8:12)
--Altar of Incense: (Luke 23:34) “Father forgive them, for they know not what they do.” The fire represents the triune God. Note, the incense is burned in a censer, not on the altar.
--Table of Shewbread: (John 6:31, 1:14, Revelation 19:13) “I am the living bread.” This represents Jesus’ time in heaven until October 22, 1844. Wine is also found on this table. This wine represents Jesus’ blood.
--The Ark of the Covenant: (John 19:19) The shekinah glory represents the presence of God. The Ten Commandments represents a picture of Jesus—Christ is the end of the law.
2. Draw to scale the Sanctuary, the court and the position of all the furnishings. (Remember to add N, S, E, W).
3. How many coverings were over the Sanctuary?
--Four.
a. List the type of covering in order from inside to outside.
--Inner royal liner: (Isaiah 53:10-12) This covering was made of red, blue and purple linens. It also had angels embroidered in gold throughout the fabric.
--Goat hair, bleached white.
--Ram’s skin, dyed red.
--Badger skin, plain and brown.
b. Tell what each covering represented.
--Inner royal liner represents man’s Great High Priest, Jesus. Red represents Christ’s life. Blue represents His obedience. Purple represents royalty. Gold represents purity (tried in the fires).
--The woven goat’s hair represents Jesus’ perfection and purity.
--The ram’s skin dyed red (Daniel 8) represents Jesus’ bruises. Jesus was bruised for our iniquities—they were not natural sins. This represents the stripes of Jesus.
--The top layer of badger skin represents Jesus’ protection and His humility. (Isaiah 53:4,5)
4. The following colors were used in the Sanctuary and in the Priests’ clothing. Tell what each color represented.
a. Red: blood—Christ’s life.
b. Blue: obedience.
c. Purple: royalty.
d. White: righteousness.
e. Gold: purity.
f. Black: (I was told that this was a typographical mistake. This should be brown.) Brown: Jesus’ humility.
g. Silver: longing desire for Jesus in our lives. (Psalm 63:1)
h. Brass: a mixture of zinc and copper—Jesus while here on earth, both man and God. (Philippians 2:6,7)
5. Memorize 1 John 1:9, Daniel 8:14, and Exodus 25:8.
6. The priests were from which of the 12 tribes? Why?
--The tribe of Levi were not numbered in Israel. There would have been 13 tribes. (Numbers 1:47). The tribe of Levi lived between the tabernacle and the rest of the tribes. There were three sections of Levites. The Levites were chosen during the time that Moses was on the mount when Aaron returned. These were the people who stood up when he asked, “who is with the Lord?” Then, they killed the 3,000 people who led them to sin. (Exodus 32:1-27)
7. Describe the robe of:
a. The common priest:
b. The high priest:
--bare feet; white linen (to represent righteousness and purity); blue (royalty) ephod (a double apron) robe; onyx stones on the shoulders (representing the 12 tribes of Israel—these names were inscribed on the stones); Urim and Thumin—stones on the breastplate that would light up when the Lord answered “yes” or “no” (Leviticus 8:8); mitre (a holy crown) with the words, “Holiness to the Lord”; and bells along the bottom of the robe (to tell the people where the High Priest was during the year).
8. Read the Great Controversy page 488 and Hebrews 4:14-16.
9. What kinds of animals were brought daily into the courtyard?
10. Write a paragraph or tell how you see Christ represented in the Sanctuary and its services.

http://www.btlministries.org is a ministry provided by an SDA Pastor, one of my former teachers, that broadcasts world wide. BTL is Between The Lines, and this week he is exploring the Tabernacle in the wilderness. If you have never had a teacher who had deep insight and understanding of history I can not explain just what learning from one is like.

He prints a "Deeper Look Study Guide" for each of their weekly studies, and though I did not see this one on the web site yet if you write them or listen you can obtain the guide (they are numbered).

Station locator is available on the website as well as an opportunity to submit questions.

God Bless,

Chris Fishell
Xtreme Youth Resources International

I submitted a question on the color black in the sanctuary to the web site address that Fish lists above. I think the answer received to the question is right on. I would recommend that you check the link and look under the great questions section.

Thanks Fish for the great resource.

Mr. Mike

The information I received was from the man who'd developed the Sanctuary Honor, Darwin Whitman, Sr. His contact information is:

Mysteries of the Sanctuary
Darwin Whitman, Sr. -- Speaker
Sanctuary Crusade, Inc.
2221 Cottonport Road
Dayton, TN 37321

or Phone: (423) 775-0790
Sanctuary@PocketMail.com

Been to a zoo lately? Seal skin is brown, not black. The description given in the query you sent on the website sounds good. But I'm still not convinced that the color was black.

Just found this site when I was doing a search. It is the website of the people who gave the Sanctuary Honor at Faith On Fire. There is contact information and lots of neat pictures!

http://www.sanctuarymysteries.theark.net

Black is also the color of the onyx stones on the shoulders of the breastplate. These had the names of the tribes of Israel on them.
Black could represent the tribes of Israel.

Brass was the strongest metal known at the time.
Brass could also represent God's Strength.

As with a lot of things in this world, there can be more than one correct answer.

Not to argue, but as for seals, most of the large seals I have seen are dark, dark grey to black, not brown in color. I am also not sure what color they become when tanned and aged in the sun. Leather changes color with treatment. I do know for sure that there are lots of opinions on which skin actually covered the outside of the structure.

I would find it puzzling that the black is a misprint for brown in an honor that has been written, piloted, reviewed, edited, and published. If this is the case, then somewhere along the line the ball was seriously dropped.


Mr. Mike

Yep. I think it would be a bit puzzling to find out that it was a mis-print as well.

I like the idea that it could be the onyx stones. And, yes, there can always be more than one answer.

I was just trying to give the most accurate answer as it was given to me when I earned the honor at FOF.

Sorry to sound argumentative, but even the on-line pictures of seals are brown.

The Guadalupe fur seal

"The recent history of Arctocephalus townsendi is both a sobering account of wanton killing and greed and an encouraging tale of resilience and recovery. Although it once numbered perhaps 200,000 across its 1500 mile range :: from the Revilligigedos and the Baja peninsula to California's Channel Islands :: the Guadalupe fur seal nearly passed into oblivion before being recognized by science. At one time, Guadalupe Island alone was home to probably 30,000 fur seals, so many that its western shore has long tracts of waterline lava rocks polished smooth by centuries of hauling-out fur seals. With the onset of North Pacific whaling in the late 1700's, the seals' beautiful fur pelts :: black outer fur over an underfur so dense that the seal's skin remains dry :: became liabilities, and the seals were taken in vast numbers by Russian and Aleut hunters to adorn Chinese royalty and Parisian society." Quoted from:

http://www.gygis.com/guadalupe_fur_seal.html

Pictures are on the site as well. Note: the bold highlight is mine.

Sounds like the perfect black covering for a tent.

Mr. Mike

Just to throw this into the mix. Many of the English names given to Hebrew and Greek references to animals in the Bible, and all of antiquity, are based on assumption. Some written descriptions are vivid and easy to get to, but others we are not sure what creature, especially sea creatures, they are talking about. Laviathin, and the Fish that swallowed Jonah for examples. Colors listed in the despcription of the tabernacle are often accurate, when an item is listed rather than color we do not always know what that really was, so educated guesses are made. There is a giant Rubalite in the English Monarchs crown, for over a thousand years Rubalites were thought to be Rubies (when this one was placed as well) and it turned out they are very different in structure, and that rubies can be one of several colors not just red.

Remeber that some things are debateable, that the purpose is more important than the thing, the symbol vs. the idol. The Tabernacle a temple of God's own design is greatly different from Solomon's Temple or Herod II and his larger Temple. The Tabernacle was never defiled or looted or captured by a foreign army both of the temples were and then destroyed. The purpose in studying the Tabernacle is the symbol of it why did God choose this simple form rather than than Brick and motar, curtains instead of doors, dirt and wood instead of marble and lime? Was this simply because the Israelites were sojourners headed for a promised land or is there more? And is that not enough? Aren't we sojourners in this life moving toward the promised redemption?

It is healthy to debate, even theology, it is important though that when we take a deeper look we remeber it is always about the pleasure of God that we live and worship for.

God Bless,

Chris Fishell
Xtreme Youth Resources International