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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 6:56 pm 
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We have a wonderful kid who happens to be deaf. His mother signs for him during each session. She has asked whether there is a simpler way to communicate the commands instead of having to spell each command out. By the time she communicates the command, it has already been executed.

If such a system does not exist, we'll work on developing some simple signs/ques for him.

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there are not always signs for everything. Drill commands are made up of common words that could be linked together instead of being spelled.

If you know how to sign the base words for each drill command, then it may help to speed things up a little more.

BUT! There's also another way. Sign Language does not provide for people's names. There is no universal sign for "Scott" or "Joe" or "Phillip."

So what do you do then? I was one of the first pathfinders to complete the sign language honor (so I'm not just blowin hot air here) and I continued on to take classes in college, as well as I was part of a sign language choir that traveled all over. Since there are not "names" you "create names." The sign for "Loud" is to touch your ear, and then arc your hand away while shaking your finger. Kind of like how a bell would resonate when being struck. I was loud in Pathfinders, my name was Phillip, so the sign for "loud" with the "P" finger was my "Sign Language Nickname."

The sign for "WORK" is done with two closed fists beating together at the wrists. My mom was "Barbara" and her nickname was the sign for "WORK" except with the "B" letter instead of closed fists.

That's one way that deaf people create names for each other. You could do the same with "LEFT FACE" and "RIGHT FACE" "ABOUT FACE" etc...

The letter "L" as the prepatory command "LEFT", and then a sharp short movement to the side for "FACE." The letter "R" as the prepatory command "RIGHT", and then a sharp short movement to the side for "FACE." And even the letter "A" for the prepatory command "ABOUT" followed by twisting the A 180 degrees for the "FACE." Just some ideas....

"SHOW" is similar to "PRESENT." Because the MEANING of the word is the same. You could do the sign for "SHOW" (left hand facing out showing the palm with the right index finger pointing at the center of the palm) as the prepatory command "PRESENT" followed by moving it vertically in a short manner for the command "ARMS." for order arms, close your hand around the right index finger for the prepatory command "ORDER" followed by the short movement downward for "ARMS." This is not a real sign language sign, but your pathfinder sees that it indicates the opposite of what they just did. They'll catch on soon. And since you already have Present Arms up, you can't do much else (correctly)!

Just some ideas... it would help to have someone facing him on each corner so that he can see the signs... does no good if you're signing to his back! :P

If you think these might work, let me know. And if you have trouble developing a few signs, or have questions about anything, let me know. I'd be glad to help, and I have a webcam to create videos to make the commands "live" instead of just "written."

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Philip, I think these are wonderful. I do know some people that are hearing impaired, but not in pathfinders.

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Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful...... I'm sure we'll be able to implement these ideas and I'll let you know how it's going in a few weeks.

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Most "short cuts" are audible however any number of advanced teams have develop visual signals before. It would not be unprecidentedly difficult to do this from scratch. In fact for face movements you could have someone on all four sides of an area and use a single motion sign to accomplish any movement. Marching is a different matter.

I will check around and see if I can find a written format available.

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A very breif search of the internet did not offer any direct assistance. There is a school for the deaf that in 1965 started a cheerleading competition that has grown tremendusly. Since cheerleading is normally a very audible sport any school involved in this may be able to help you out. I suspect any local school for the deaf would be happy to assist. This link is details on the above:

http://cheerleading.about.com/gi/dynami ... cheer.html

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Much thanks!!

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You may want to try to contact the Athletic Director at the Gallaudet school for the Deaf in Fremont, CA.

http://www.csdf.k12.ca.us/sports/sportf ... etics.html

I've been there before, and they have a very well organized sports department (for being deaf, you'd be surprised at how good they are). You might want to talk to the director there and see what they might have to offer towards your goals.

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It might be fun for you to try a silent drill routine. Although that could be extremely difficult. It would be cool for the other kids to have to do something without being able to hear the commands.

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