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Do you wear jewelry?
No, not even watches 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
No, but I do wear watches 84%  84%  [ 26 ]
Yes, just a little 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
Yes, I don't restrain 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 11:26 am 
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So what do you guys think of Song of Solomon 1:10

"Your cheeks are beautiful with earrings,
your neck with strings of jewels"

I thought we weren't supposed to wear jewelry???

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It is important to read the verse before: 1:9 "I have compared thee, O my love, to a company of horses in Pharaoh's chariots."

Through out the book Solomon compares his bride to many things. Examples: a flock of sheep, a gazelle, a dove, a tower, and many more. I believe this might just be another comparison of his brides beauty.

Even if this isn't the case. Remember Solomon was not always with God, and did not always keep God's commandments. Reading the book of Ecclesiastes also is important.

In the end Solomon concluded in Ecclesiastes 12:13 "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man." It should be our aim also to follow God's Word in this mater. Jesus should be our ultimate example.

I will post Bible texts later, we should make this an online Bible study.

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Okay, I just saw that single verse somewhere (I think I was doing a biblegateway.com search for cheek, don't ask why!) and it didn't seem to make sense... I guess I should have looked at context first, huh?

yeah, I think jewelry is an issue that is extremely prominent... we should make it an online Bible study, just so we, as leaders, can have something to back ourselves up with! You're more likely to have pathfinders listen to you if you have a reason behind what you 'command' them to do (or not do)

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Solomon is not a good example for prudent Godly lifestyle. Solomon writes of himself "In my youth I constrained of myself nothing my heart desired." Solomon had 300 wives and 700 concubines a few international love affairs including Sheba left an empire to ripped apart by two sons neither of whom were impressive leaders. Many of his wives were foreign women and he eventually even irrected temples to there god's in the holy city.....

Solomon was a great king and late in his life realized many of the mistakes of his younger age. I can not tell you who the good examples are because only Daniel and Jesus and have no sin recorded against them in the Bible and we actually know only a small bit of their lives compared their daily experiences. In this we must rely on what Paul told us is how we know sin; The Law. We may be free from eternal death but not morality, whenever you start out to answer a question of what is acceptable to God, it is a good idea to start with the Law. When you are done with that spend time with the gospels and the letters of Paul, you will find them to be right on the same level of belief. In fact Jesus raised the bar for us (The Sermon on the Mount).

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Do I wear jewelry?
"Jesus should be our ultimate example." So wrote Mitch, and I totally agree!
But if this is a discussion about jewelry, I want to have a definition of jewelry. I presume it must be referred to the noun "jewel", which I understand mostly as "presious stones" such as for instance diamonds.
How then can you ask if I wear a watch? Do you think of a golden Rolex with diamonds?
Is this question not basicly, if we want to make God's work of creation better? Or how we use our God-given means?
And if so, then I will add such things as make-up, hairstyling, and expensive clothing to neck- and wristlaces, rings (whether it be finger-, ear-, nose-, eyebrow-, lip- or "elsewhererings"), and other kinds of jewelry.
I think the point is that we should be clean and dress properly, and this again depence upon the culture and actual situation.
When I am invited to for instance a wedding in my family, I want to show that I, too, am celebrating and I wear my finest suit and a tie (with a small golden tiepin) and matching cufflinks, and sometimes a vest with a silver pocket watch with a silver chain across my stomach.
And if I hadn't stopped using it because of the risk of injuries, I would have worn my golden wedding ring on my forth finger proudly each day!
The basic thing here - in my opinion - is our reasons to do what we do.
Jesus didn't criticise the woman who anointed his feet with a precious unguent - he, of course, knew her reasons!
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Okay.. So my question now is this...

We all know Pathfinder is not only for Adventists. Our youths have involved many non-SDA in our activities. And there are those that were Jewels. So how do you approach these young people?

Can you be blunt about it?

Can you tell them that it's strictly "Uniform Policy"?

Army based principle?

Thanks in advance for your input.
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Azdhy X, that is a question that I am sure that you will get many answers to! But here is mine... If you are too blunt and point a finger and hit them over the head with the Bible, EG White, Etc... I think that you will scare them off and do more damage, than you help! I think that you should be accepting, I mean jewelry isn't the most offensive thing in the world, and if you feel its necessary, gradually tell them why you believe it is necessary for them to stop wearing jewelry. Hope this helps a little.

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Here is a passage I think you might find helpful. It isn't talking about jewelry specifically, but I think the same principle applies in yoru situation.

1 Corinthians 8 wrote:
1Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that we all possess knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. 2The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know. 3But the man who loves God is known by God.
4So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that an idol is nothing at all in the world and that there is no God but one. 5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"), 6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

7But not everyone knows this. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat such food they think of it as having been sacrificed to an idol, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. 8But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.

9Be careful, however, that the exercise of your freedom does not become a stumbling block to the weak. 10For if anyone with a weak conscience sees you who have this knowledge eating in an idol's temple, won't he be emboldened to eat what has been sacrificed to idols? 11So this weak brother, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your knowledge. 12When you sin against your brothers in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ. 13Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause him to fall.

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At my club, we have a no jewelry policy... and it's pretty much enforced. Plus, in my unit, it is definitely not allowed, apart from the Spiritual aspect, it is an extreme safety hazard in doing the activities that we do. Jewelry can easily cause injury if caught in or on something...

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Yeah, a lot of the activities aren't good for jewelry anyhow.

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What you mean that a huge earing gets stuck on something inside a cave?!?! say it isn't so! :D

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Yeah... sorry to break your heart... but it is... But mostly the vertical stuff that we do... it's really easy for jewelry to get caught in a rappel or belay device, and it's the same for long hair too... but that can get tied up.

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you guys think its wrong to wear jewelry????

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missUNDERSTOOD wrote:
you guys think its wrong to wear jewelry????


Welcome to the forum! As you can see by all the posts, there are many different stand points on this subject, I won't go through repeating them all at this time... just read the posts. So are you for it? It seems that way by your post, I am really curious to hear your thoughts on the subject.

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Most of us have grown up in more conservative homes. I don't speak for everyone, but I think that the general consensus is that restraint should be used when jewelry is worn. Extravagant usage of ornaments is usually what makes me disgusted. I have friends and relatives that wear "jewelry." It is their choice and they know that I don't believe in ornamentation, especially in large quantities. I am not opposed to wedding bands, engagement rings, watches, or bracelets. However, I want to stress again that each item should not be over the top. I wear a "Livestrong" band on one of my wrists and a watch. My watch is a Cousteau (a diver's watch). I don't think that watches with jewels and precious metals are good investments. My watch keeps accurate time, and won't get destroyed by everyday use.

Jewelry is a choice. Your choice. It will not keep you from going to heaven. I know that what I am about to say is what Judas once said, but I am saying it with a different attitude (I hope). Think about the many things that you could do make others better off or the extra money spent in more positive ways if you buy something more simple, instead of buying fancy ornamentation.

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i think its ok to wear jewelry as long as ur not doin it for the wrong reasons. ive read everything i can find bout it in the bible n it dosent say its wrong to wear it just when ur doing it to draw attantion to urself for the wrong reasons or if its like a god to u. thats wat i belive. i wear jewelry i have my ears n lip peirced.

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That is your choice. I have nothing against people that wear jewelry. I just don't want to wear it.

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I too have nothing against people that wear jewelry.

Anyway, I do see some of your responses and thanks for the inputs.

But I want to share with you a testimony.
Now this have not happened to our youths once but more than once where our church have focused a lot on jewelry, iPod, short dresses, makeup and other worldly things in the church. The elders and pastor have preached about worldliness and some have even shown a video at an AY meeting that explained how the jewelries were from the pagans and how they used it to adorn themselves and to worship their idols, and so forth.

Well, the reason why the church were being aggressive toward the youths was that when the youths invited non-SDAs to attend the church, these non-SDA youths would walk inside the church with "bling-bling", t-shirts, and all the worldly things that you can think of. What happen then is that the SDA youths became observance.
Since the church did not seem to say anything to these "other" youths (the church at this time wanted to be "soft" hearted and not "attack" them directly), it seemed that it's okay even for an SDA youth to act and wear what "they" wear. So that's how it started.
Many of our youths have started to act what "other" youths do. Like short skirts, jeans, gold/silver necklace, earrings, collar lifted up, and so much more that the church have to act aggressively toward the young people and their behaviors. There were also many times where non-SDAs and SDA youths were told to take off their jewelries before entering the church.

So what do you guys think in these behaviors??

What would you do?

You may wonder what happened to these non-SDAs and some of the SDA youths after what happened...

As of this present time, 3 of the non-SDA youths were baptized and joined the SDA believe. 1 was baptized in the Oshkosh camp meeting. And with our SDA youths, about 2 or 3 youths left the church. 1 have came back.
Yes our church have became less in membership, but what I'm proud of our church is that we have young people (12 - 16 years old) that are able to be blunt and able to stand in front of the podium and preach the word of God.

So I do believe that SDAs need to stand in what we believe. We present the truth to them. We are the light house. Yes we should be accepting to those that knows not of our believe, but we can not make our church a market place, where we can make deals and make business of the truth and salvation, we need to be like Jesus.

1 Pet 3:3 "Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes."
As a Christian, we need to have the world see the purity and reverence of our live.
Also remember this, "Where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."
And yes, Jesus do teach us that our body is the temple of God.


Jesus said that, "If you deny me before man, I will deny you before my Father in Heaven."

Jesus love the sinner but hates the SIN.

Things that You may want to read:

* Jesus Clears the Temple

* 12.
* After this he went down to Capernaum with his mother and brothers and his disciples. There they stayed for a few days.

* 13.
* When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem.

* 14.
* In the temple courts he found men selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money.

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* So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.

* 16.
* To those who sold doves he said, "Get these out of here! How dare you turn my Father's house into a market!"

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* His disciples remembered that it is written: "Zeal for your house will consume me."

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* Then the Jews demanded of him, "What miraculous sign can you show us to prove your authority to do all this?"

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* Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days."

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* The Jews replied, "It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?"

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* But the temple he had spoken of was his body.

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* After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the Scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken.

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* Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Feast, many people saw the miraculous signs he was doing and believed in his name.

* 24.
* But Jesus would not entrust himself to them, for he knew all men.

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* He did not need man's testimony about man, for he knew what was in a man.

PS: Sorry if I offended anyone.. :(
God bless..

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 Post subject: Re: Jewelry
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Explain to them why you're asking them to remove their jewelry, and they'll be more likely to do it out of love, rather than just because so-and-so said to! Your example will be a major influence too. If your character is an appealing one, they will want to follow the way you live, including your habit of not wearing jewelry.

2 Timothy 2:9,10 -
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

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Amazing Facts has a little booklet/Bible study guide on jewelry written by Doug Bachelor. I read it a couple weekends ago and thought it was really good! I believe it is free via their website (http://www.AmazingFacts.org). If you are having to confront issues with jewelry in your club, this would be a good resource so that you know exactly what the Bible says about it.

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missUNDERSTOOD wrote:
i think its ok to wear jewelry as long as ur not doin it for the wrong reasons.


I've heard this before and didn't quite get it. What would be a good reason for wearing jewelry?


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When I started a club in the church that I was attending, since the kids were non-adventists I gave them one rule at the beginning -No jewels and no painted nailed while in Class A Uniform. For the meetings I let them use them, since I wanted them to learn once we started studying the Bible in the Class Level work. Never has problem when they were in uniform. Later on their own, they didn't use jewels for the meetings.

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In my club I am not allowing SDA members to have those ornamental(jewelry). Since they are yet in their teen-age years I explain to them the reason always why we should not use them. While on the non-SDA I would usually allow for a moment until such a time I will explain to them that wearing them is not good. With prayer and nice approach it seemed little by little every time we've meet they are starting to remove one by one their jewelry. But I have a one question in mind regarding jewelry I've post in this thread viewtopic.php?f=41&t=1578

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