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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 11:51 am 
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hey thats really cool! i like that. I made mine with a very simple boring scripts from dreamweaver, but I have changed them around afterward (took a long time, did it for every picture)

I'm interested to know how photoshop does it, I might take a look at the code...

what do all of you use for tools on building your website? maybe we can give each other advice and feed back.

I use Dreamweaver and Fireworks MX 2004. I also use a little bit of a very simple program, old, Microsoft Picture It! 2.0

What do you all use? Would you consider yourselves very skilled at html or other web languages and web design...? both sites posted here look very nice I'm glad I can see snowball's site now, maybe I typed to wrong URL.


------off to look at the code------

seems like it would take a little while to create that album by hand although it can be done with some CSS some html, tables, and some batch processed photos (or else it would take waaaay longer than it would already, painfully long) if you really want to do it (tapascos) I'm not sure if you could figure out how but I could explain some of the basics, I don't know if I could do it completely. try finding a web photo album making piece of software... might be easier, unless u have photoshop

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another pathfinder site : http://www.sdapathfinder.net/


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I use Dreaweaver MX and Adobe Photoshop CS.

I consider myself proficient in HTML / XML, but like the fact that its much quicker to do WYSIWYG with Dreamweaver. Also, I can write a basic Javascript, but find it much easier to just Cut-n-paste from script archives.

I've been coding since 1994. Before that I played around with programming Computer languages such as BASIC and other similar ones. . . . Gotten really really rusty in the computer languages though.

I enjoy the DESIGN end of things much more really. I've taken several classes and even taught a few in Photoshop design.

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My pathfinder site had been down for a couple of weeks, I'm not sure why, but I'm glad it's back up and running.

I use combinations of things but mostly Photoshop, Dreamweaver, and Fireworks. I haven't used Fireworks much lately due to me using CSS so much, I use Photoshop for my images. I concider myself not so skilled on the actual programming side though I can read through the code and figure out what is wrong, but I do know my way around Photoshop and Dreamweaver farely well.


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I'm taking a computer graphics class right now - using Corel draw/photopaint. I've already reconstructed a photo that was beat up and created my own works of art. I'm currently working on a picture collage for my director (this is her last year here) of all the pathfinder memories. Anyone else tried photopaint?

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I've messed around with Corel Painter 8 a bit, but not too much.

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I am partial to Adobe photoshop myself :)

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If you can't afford Photoshop, try the Gnu Image Manipuation Program (The GIMP). It's a free download and works on Windows, Linux, and MAC.

You can get it at http://gimp.org

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I use Dreamweaver for a lot of my website coding. The main thing is to get your design down and with that you'll need content.

Probably the hardest part about building a website is the content. My clubs site doesn't have a lot of content as of right now because no one's giving me anything to put on. I hope you'll have better luck then me for collecting information for your site. I just need to be persistant. :P

If you would like to see a copy of http://www.waiilatpu.org 's css coding, let me know. And in case you want to view my html code and don't know how just go to the page you want to view the code for and click View in the main menu then Source. Easy enough. :D

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I would love to see your css.

Can you email it to me or post it in a thread?

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Here's my main and home css:
http://www.waiilatpu.org/css/main.css
http://www.waiilatpu.org/css/home.css

If you have any questions or would like to see a different pages css let me know.

I should point out I use the main.css for all pages and the other css files for their appropriate page like home.css is for the home page. That way the user only downloads as much as he needs.

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csouljah wrote:
seems like it would take a little while to create that album by hand although it can be done with some CSS some html, tables, and some batch processed photos (or else it would take waaaay longer than it would already, painfully long) if you really want to do it (tapascos) I'm not sure if you could figure out how but I could explain some of the basics, I don't know if I could do it completely. try finding a web photo album making piece of software... might be easier, unless u have photoshop

If you have php enabled on your server you can download and install some pretty cool gallery scripts. Here's some example:
http://relativelyabsolute.com/spg/
http://www.stadtaus.com/en/php_scripts/gallery_script/

I use the first one mentioned above on one of my web sites. The second one is not as simple to install but is much more customizable. Also neither one require a database.

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 Post subject: FREE!!!!
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I recently was introduced to NVU. It is a free complete Web Authoring System. I haven’t had time to play much with it yet but I'm impressed. Nvu is 100% open source.

:arrow: WYSIWYG editing of pages, making web creation as easy as typing a letter with your word processor.

:arrow: Integrated file management via FTP --- Simply login to your web site and navigate through your files, editing web pages on the fly, directly from your site.

:arrow: Reliable HTML code creation that will work with all of today's most popular browsers.

:arrow: Jump between WYSIWYG Editing Mode and HTML using tabs.

:arrow: Tabbed editing to make working on multiple pages a snap.

:arrow: Powerful support for forms, tables, and templates.

:arrow: The easiest-to-use, most powerful Web Authoring System available for Desktop Linux, Microsoft Windows and Apple Macintosh users.

:!: Check for yourself --- http://www.nvu.com

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Here's a good starting point: http://www.webdevelopersjournal.com/col ... sites.html

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 Post subject: Extremely basic
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We used MS Publisher for our web page. We own Adobe InDesign but the learning curve is rather steep. We have Adobe Photoshop and several other programs but it is so easy to revert to the programs already learned.

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 Post subject: Email the website?
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This may sound silly to some of you out there. I actually started building web sites using - are you ready?
Outlook Express! Yes the email program.
I discovered that when I Create Mail, under VIEW menu, I could click SOURCE EDIT. It was the cheapest most readily available "What you see is what you get" (WYSIWYG) editor!

Hey, don't knock it until you try it!

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Lol, I've never heard of someone using that, that's funny. :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:08 pm 
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Lonny, that is hilarious. . . Outlook EXPRESS?????

I'm not much better. I used Netscape Communicator's Composer WYSIWYG editor back in 1995/6. It was terrible, but it got me hooked. Soon I swallowed really hard and bought the $59 MS Frontpage (Educational -- was a student then), then was soon introduced to Dreamweaver 3. I've been a Dreamweaver user ever since.

On the graphics side, I've never really used Fireworks, even though its included with Studio MX. I'm just SO COMFORTABLE with the incredible set of features the Photoshop offers, its hard to switch.

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Ya, I love Photoshop. It's one of my favorite programs. I can't wait to try out some of the new features in CS2.

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I was really impressed with Dreamweaver MX. It is good for peaople without much code experience(HTML, CSS ect.) But still has a lot of functionality for those diehard hand-coders.

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thanks snowball(for the php album info), ill check those out soon...

lonny, that incredible.... I would have never thought that was possible... I would have just used notepad to do all that and save as html... actually I think that’s what I did when I first created websites... I would start with notepad, and on others peoples computers use frontpage (I didn't own a copy so I had to made do)

After a while I also learned microsoft word can create web pages as well, although I think it uses a lot of extras you wouldn’t want...

question for snowball and pathfinders... I know very little about CSS, and I know how to find information that can teach me, but I was wondering out of all the different ways of making web pages, java script, html, php, asp, and all the tools programs like dreamweaver give you layers and tables and such, why would I, or should I be interested in learning CSS? I know site loading time can be a big deal, but how big of a deal is it?

I want to learn as much as I can about building websites, but time is always an issue...

one more question, snowball you mentioned CS2, do you have the whole suite? if so, have you used adobe go live? Opinions?

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csouljah wrote:
question for snowball and pathfinders... I know very little about CSS, and I know how to find information that can teach me, but I was wondering out of all the different ways of making web pages, java script, html, php, asp, and all the tools programs like dreamweaver give you layers and tables and such, why would I, or should I be interested in learning CSS? I know site loading time can be a big deal, but how big of a deal is it?

What's really nice about CSS is the fact that several pages can use the same CSS file, so then if you wanted to change say the font type for all those pages you can just change it in the CSS file and it will be updated for all the pages linking to that CSS. Same for changing say the footer background.

Another thing I should mention between CSS and Tables, though first loading of a CSS site might take longer than one built with Tables, most of the pages for the CSS site will reuse CSS files it has already downloaded. Plus there are ways using scripts that users of the site can change the look of the page, like the web site mentioned below. It's still the exact same site only different design using a different CSS file.

Check out this web site: http://www.csszengarden.com/
Zen Garden let's people use Zen's html file and write their own CSS file for it to show some of the power of CSS!

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one more question, snowball you mentioned CS2, do you have the whole suite? if so, have you used adobe go live? Opinions?

I don't have CS2 or the whole suite of CS1, but I do have Photoshop CS and I love it! I've used Adobe GoLive but didn't like it enough to leave Dreamweaver :P.

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 Post subject: MS Word Code
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After a while I also learned microsoft word can create web pages as well, although I think it uses a lot of extras you wouldn’t want...


MS Word makes TERRIBLE Html code. Sometimes for shear volume of page I've had to use its "HTML" feature, but its horrible and can really mess up the look of the rest of your website. Its a little bit better when you download the "Compact HTML" plugin from MS Office's website. It helps, though is no way complete.

Just remember, Microsoft = BLOATED CODE, no matter what the program. :P :x

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As I am a Graphic Design student, I was supposed to take a web design class, as well as a Animation class (Flash MX). Both of these were promised to the students in my start, but they were taken out of the curriculum. :? :shock:

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Which is the best place to host your webpage? I was preffering free for lack of funds...

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