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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:56 pm 
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I have just joined a Pathfinder Club, for the first time in about 20 Years!
I had to buy a new Uniform, as I have lost the battle of the bulge. I put all my Chevons, Class pins, Advanced Class pins, and good conduct ribbon on my uniform :D . Went to the club on the first night designated as Class A Uniform night, and was told "you are not suppose to have all of the Chevons on the sleeve, you are only suppose to have the highest Invested Class pin, and Advance Ribbon on your pocket". :cry: I put all of my stuff where it was suppose to be when I stopped attending Pathfinders in the 1980s. So What's up. When did they change everything?

Also, Why did they change the positions? Every place I have looked to see where "officially" the insignia is to go they show the placement exactly where I have them now.

Kinda confusing huh?

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Yes Dale,

I totally agree. It would be extremely helpful to have here on this site an "Official" picture guide as to what and where everything should be placed. I continually have people ask me where is something to be put. It is hard to always know or to even explain correctly.


I would love to SEE here many pictures and more pictures of examples of what it should look like.

To me a PICTURE is easily worth a thousand words.

Please webmaster, make a link that can show pictures of how everything should look and where they are to be placed "OFFICIALLY".


Then anyone can come to this site to see (Really see) the official NAD placement of pins, etc. on a uniform.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:03 am 
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I think that the webmaster has already done it. Here's the web address.

http://www.pathfindersonline.org/pdf/st ... niform.pdf

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 Post subject: Conference & NAD
PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:04 am 
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While the North American Division has set guidelines for the division, each conference can and often do make decisions that differ. The conference regulations will override the NAD regulations. I suggest that you check first with your conference for the regulations and standards to follow. :wink:

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Karen wrote:
I think that the webmaster has already done it. Here's the web address.

http://www.pathfindersonline.org/pdf/st ... niform.pdf


That is too simple but OK for a regular Pathfinder age kid.

What about a pictures for regular kids (5th through 8th) grade?

Pictures for TLTs and how their uniform should look.

Pictures for Master Guide and all their pin layout on pocket, etc.

Pictures for Pin layout for PLAs who have earned everything up to this point.

This is what I mean by pictures to demostrate how and where precisely are the pins supposed to go. It is also difficult to know sometimes what pins go on more than one row. There are the questions that I have and have not really ever seen anything official or in the way of pictures to be able to show someone what and where they all should go.

Does this make what I am asking for any clearer?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:20 am 
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I think Lonny said it well, you really need to check with your conferance Pathfinder Director. In WI as long as we have the patches on and their on the proper sleeves, it's quite informal. I'd love to see some more explicit instructions, but it's hard to provide a picture when there is alot of lee way between conferances.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:23 am 
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As Lonny said each conference could be different and those pictures do apply to all the ages in GA-Cumberland Conference.

When I was growing up in Pathfinders in Southern California TLTs (Junior Counselers) and staff had different uniforms from the younger kids, but now everyone is is the same in my conference. Thank goodness.

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I have the point system and uniform regs for the NNEC. I will post them ASAP

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 Post subject: Where does THAT pin go?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 4:03 pm 
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Thanks for all the good info. Even tho the placements might have changed for the uniforms, I would like to say that I like that way the uniforms looked with ALL the Pins on the Pocket and All the Chevons on the Sleeve!

I worked hard to meet all the requirements for all of those classes. I wear my classwork insignia with a feeling of achievement.

I am almost finished with my MG and I will wear my Star with pride! :mrgreen:

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I have seen, (and I'm not saying it's right) The whole sets onthe sash, class badge, pin, bar and chevron, as well as the highest class badge over the pocket, highest pin on the pocket, and highest bar over the badge. I guess I like it that way as when it is time to wash uniforms there are less pins to remove and then replace on the shirt. With 5 uniforms in our house it can get a little confusing.
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The short answer is that if it no longer goes on your uniform it goes on your sash. Some conferences have strict rules as to how this is to look and others do not so yes everyone needs to be sure to be in line with their expectations.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 7:17 pm 
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I think that for a while that is how it was. And maybe it still is in some conferences. When I started helping out in Pathfinders shortly before the Friendship Camporee in 1989 (I think), many of the staff in my club had it their sashes that way. But before since my old sash was different I didn't change it. By the time we changed to the black sashes our conference had changed back to the way it is now.

Personally I'm glad that we don't put all of classwork stuff on the sash. It takes up a lot of space that I need for honors. In fact I don't even put my camporee patches on my sash anymore because there just isn't space.

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 Post subject: Spilling the beans!
PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:52 am 
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:arrow: There is a new, long overdue, revision to the Pathfinder Staff Manuel coming out soon :!: Soon is a relative term with no absolute time specification. :wink: Having said that, I think it should be within 6 months.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 10:50 pm 
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You guys have covered this topic really well, thanks to all who have contributed.

I'm hoping Lonny that the new Staff manual DOES give NAD guidelines for ALL TYPES of uniforms, not just the one that is stereotypically for a Pathfinder kid.

As it is now, there is no such NAD standard in "pictures" so of course we can't place it on the website.

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You know what would be REALLY cool? If there were a form you could fill out on the web that asked you what ensignia you had, what sort of uniform you had (long sleeve, short sleeve, etc), and perhaps what conference you were in. Click "submit" and it would give you pictures of the uniform with ensignia placement.

If data for the selected conference were not available, it would show the NAD version with a disclaimer and instructions for submitting the conference's data.

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I honestly don't know if that can be done, me being programming illiterate, but I am going to challenge my son with that assignment. We'll see what he can come up with.

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I know for a fact that it /can/ be done. A co-worker of mine has been playing around with some web-scriptable image manipulation code. He has been using this module to add text annotations to jpg images, and I'm pretty sure it can also overlay one jpg onto another. I'll get the details from him and share ASAP.

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 Post subject: Uniform Insignia Coding
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:48 pm 
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That's a really cool idea. Keep thinking, dreaming, and programming!

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Here's a link to the PHP module I posted about yesterday. It allows a script to overlay one image on top of another and output the result.

http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.imagecopymerge.php

Chelly, I hope your son likes PHP. It is a very powerful web scripting language and it's not that hard to learn (assuming the learner already has a bent for programming). Among other things, it's what this PF forum runs on.

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 Post subject: How Many?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:40 am 
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Just a quick side note, There are 67 conferences and unions in the North American Division. :!:

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My son is homeschooled, and loves programming stuff, and needs a challenge, even if someone else does this first, it will be good for him.

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Anyone looking into this would should look into the option of using SVG format images.

It is an open standard, and is very scriptable, web freindly, even capable of animations. Plus I think it would lend itself well to images of this nature since I believe vector illustrations would work well in this case.

I could possibly provide SVG graphics to the project if needed.
google around for SVG and read up.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 6:36 pm 
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Lonnyn,

Do you have uniform specs for any/all of these 67 conferences? If so, I could definitely use them, and it sounds like this young programmer could use them!

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A large reference database would be something quite nice to see. It should not be hard to gather pictures, any conference (Pf Director) could be asked if they are willing to include their information in a database of this type and if so would they include pictures of proper placement.

I suspect most conferences would be willing as they have standards in place or use NAD and would simply need to include pics for their standards. The same with NAD, one of our prestigous Cooridinators like Mr. Mike S, or Mark O. could concieveably arrange with a local club the opportunity to take pictures of properly dressed Pathfinders in various age groups as well as TLT's. My guess is they would only need to ask one or two local directors for such an effort. That was not too bold a hint, was it? You are connected, you have people in your areas who (I would like to think) have proper uniforms and cameras. Eventually more professional pictures could be done but it would be a good first step to get any quality photo with good display. I am sure then that GeraldG could format them and Chelly's son or jomegat or another trchy here could build a proto type by summer's end. The first ever fully joint project and publication of this community.

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This is gus, chellys' son. mom says i have to do this even if it has been done. i need images to work with if i'm gonna do this so mom told me to give ya'll a list of what i want. so here goes.

1. pic of each uniform style, ie. longsleeve, shortsleeve, anything else.
2. pic of each pin that can go on the uniform
3. pic of each confecnce patch
4. any other pics of stuff that goes on the uniform.

if you have this stuff you can send it to my email at King_Gus_Man@hotmail.com thanks so much for giving my mom an idea that increases my work load.


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