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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:50 pm 
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Our club recently received the pathfinder berets. We get up in front of our church about once a month in full dress to lead out in a music praise time. The question came up however, on whether it is appropriate or not to wear our berets in the sanctuary. Two of us staff members were under the impression that it is not appropriate to wear them in church(like the millatary officials) and the rest thougt it was ok as we have seen other clubs wearing them in church. Then we weren't sure if it applied to everyone or just the boys and the men on removing hats when they enter the sanctuary. Can somebody clear up this matter for us? When is it not appropriate to wear the berets?


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:57 pm 
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If there is any portion of the Pathfinder uniform that is not appropriate for the sanctuary then that item should not be part of the Pathfinder uniform. Pathfinders is first and foremost evangelism for the youth and so the sanctuary comes first.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 4:04 am 
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In times past, many men and women would wear hats with there dress clothes. Men always took their hats off when entering buildings (especially church). Women did not always. This was when the eduquate rule about men removing their hats was created. In today's society, hats are not as common. However, Peacemaker is right to say that any part of a Pathfinder Uniform that is not appropriate for the sanctuary shouldn't be part of the Pathfinder Uniform to begin with. You can aproach this issue in several ways.

1. You can not wear the Berets in the church at all.
    Not on the uniform at all.
    Under an epaulet.
2. You could have the male members of the men remove their berets when in the church.
3. You can wear them in church as a club.

I would suggest either having the entire club either put the berets under an epaulet or have the men remove them in the church. I personally think that the former looks the best while representing the Pathfinder Club. You still have the berets with each member this way. In the end it is up to you, but the most important part is that you are representing what the club believes in (ie. Christ).

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 8:45 am 
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Has our society slipped to the point where even basic etiquette has become a routine question?

Men (boys) do NOT wear head coverings (unless Jewish or a priest) indoors unless in uniform AND under arms. I have never seen an armed Pathfinder Club and hope never to.

Women (girls) wear their head coverings at all times as it is both socially and religiously appropriate for women to have there heads covered should they choose.

As to if not should not statements... unless the sanctuary is on fire you do not run in it, yet it is proper to run at times. The rules for sanctuary and common spaces have differed since God commissioned the tabernacle in the wilderness.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:02 pm 
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fish wrote:
Men (boys) do NOT wear head coverings (unless Jewish or a priest) indoors unless in uniform AND under arms.


Do your male Pathfinders salute without headdress ? I was asked this question elsewhere and did not have an answer to give.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:08 pm 
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Hi Gerald,

Yes, Pathfinders salute without wearing cover. The salute when in full dress uniform without cover is at the eye brow in the US military style. In less a uniform than this for the pledge one's hand is over the heart but for formal courtesy matters (saluting counselor/director) the brow is the place in any dress.

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